The Seduction of Emily Rose: The Anti-Christ is giving ‘exorcism’ classes
Supposedly, according to anti-Christ, all that is necessary to command Emotional Positives to come on command and for extreme Emotional Negatives to “Get Out Now in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost!” is the use of the ‘free’ will ‘as learning’ of a method for everything and the proper ‘application’ of the ‘free’ will per the given stimulus of demonic infestation.
Anti-Christ is giving lessons on exorcism. ‘How’ does one supposedly prepare to kick the demons out? What is the proper ‘use’ of the ‘free’ will to get the upper hand on demons in the other guy? According to anti-Christ in the Romanists, you keep the speech you grew up with, the non-creating speech of sin, and with that speech in combination with ritual and hand motions you say specific words in that speech that result in an ending of the big Emotional Negative whereby you supposedly detected the presence of the demons (and that in fact were the essense of demons according to anti-Christ) and have positive emotions all around in the end as proof of being ‘cleansed’ and ‘holy’.
Faced with a classroom of 50 priests intent on learning how best to take on the devil, the veteran Gemma profiles his ideal comrade at arms, spiritually-speaking: “live a holy life, work hard and be devoted to the Madonna”.
There you have it. ‘Use’ your ‘free’ will and particularly to worship an alternate literal of Mary and all will be well.
Or will it?
How is it, that when the God as Incarnate Word, Jesus Christ, gave power over the spirits to the disciples, he did not call them ‘exorcists’ and when they could not throw out particular demons, he did not tell them that they only lacked “service to the Madonna”? Instead He says:
Matthew 17:14-21 And when they came to the crowd, a man came to him, falling on his knees before him, and saying, Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is lunatic, and suffers sorely; for often he falls into the fire and often into the water. And I brought him to thy disciples, and they were not able to heal him. And Jesus answering said, O unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to me. And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon went out from him, and the boy was healed from that hour. Then the disciples, coming to Jesus apart, said to him , Why were not we able to cast him out? And he says to them, Because of your unbelief; for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed , ye shall say to this mountain, Be transported hence there, and it shall transport itself; and nothing shall be impossible to you. But this kind does not go out but by prayer and fasting.
Why is it we do not hear of the apostles being called such titles as “John the Excorsists” or “Peter the Exorcists” or “Paul the Exorcist”? God through them rebuked the lying spirits and moved on as part of daily life as being new creation in Jesus Christ and having God non-metaphorically living in them as they walked through a fallen world; a world full of demons as the normal speech of fallen man. Why in truth, do we not see any reference to the word exorcism at all except in reference to pagan religionists who were throwing other demons out for hire by the power of Satan ?
Act 19:13-17 And certain of the Jewish exorcists also, who went about, took in hand to call upon those who had wicked spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus, whom Paul preaches. And there were certain men , seven sons of Sceva, Jewish high priest, who were doing this. But the wicked spirit answering said to them, Jesus I know, and Paul I am acquainted with; but ye, who are ye? And the man in whom the wicked spirit was leaped upon them, and having mastered both, prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who inhabited Ephesus, and fear fell upon all of them, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
We see clearly then that the Jewish “exorcists” were themselves possessed of demons and we see clearly demons fighting demons through those who were possessed. Satan is divided.
Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathers not with me scatters.
Satan’s best honesty is a lie and is only non-creating speech itself. Satan is deceived that good and evil exist within anti-Christ. But the whole of anti-Christ is evil and wickedness. Yet because God has said “good and evil”, Satan thinks with/as-his-thoughts anti-Christ to say “good and evil” (equating his own speech with God as Word and genuinely ignorant of the difference; even Satan and anti-Christ is deceived that there is only one speech in total reality and that they are it and have free will –that in order to say reality and to Say God one must speak them…) and to have distinguished between good and evil with his own speech which is Belial/anti-Christ as thought and tool to do exactly such distinguishing. Satan is lost in his own speech and cannot hear God. Satan’s pretense is evil. Satan’s best sincerity is evil and he knows it not.
Isaiah 47:10 For thou hast confided in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath seduced thee; and thou hast said in thy heart, It is I, and there is none but me.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, the doctors of the law, for ye have taken away the key of knowledge; yourselves have not entered in, and those who were entering in ye have hindered.
Luke 11:18-26 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges. But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils. He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
What is going on here?
Who is the strong man? And what is being thrown out? And where to? That is, of course the whole thing. In the anti-Christ’s lie of ‘exorcism’ through all those deceived men have free will, such as the Islamics, Judaist, and false Christianity of Roman Catholics and false Protestants, one needs no non-metaphorical new birth in Jesus Christ here and now on this earth. No, according to anti-Christ as non-creating speech (who cannot create anything and therefore must deny that any such thing as new birth in Jesus Christ even exists as being performed by the Word of God), “demons” (never defined as anything other than what they supposedly cause: negative emotions as the functiuonal equivalent to ‘’evil) “go out” and thus render the ‘free’ will free once more to get on earning heaven by choosing a godly life of self-willed works.
It is simply a show of exchange of a greater emotional negative as represeting evil for a lesser one. The mere abscense of the greater emotional torment is the supposed proof the demons are ‘gone’ and were ‘throen out’ by a ‘greater power’.
Do you see? In anti-Christ’s lie of ‘exorcism’ there is no new birth in Jesus Christ and the living of a holy life as God non-metaphorically living in us both to will and to do His good pleasure. God is supposedly perpetually somewhere else and there is only the getting on with worshipping “the Madonna” and the Roman Catholics words/speech, exactly as other false faiths do. For there is no difference between Islamic “exorcism”, or Hindu “exorcism” or Roman Catholic “exorcism”. In all of them there is the having of Emotional Negative (who in their system of lies of non-’interfering’ words better have a ‘free’ will ‘too’ so he can respond to the word order during the ceremony); then there is the “religious” solution to the problem of that pesky Emotional Negative.
Supposedly, the ‘priest’ ‘commands’ the demon(s) to leave and they/it ‘must’ do so –because of the ritual and words by the ‘priest’. Yet those very same ‘priests’ will say in that very same speech such as they have got (non-creating speech) and that very same speech which was directed at ‘the demons’, that when God commands men to be born again, God’s Word is NOT powerful so as to compel or force anything at all (so as to leave the ‘free’ will supposed ’still’ free before, during and after God’s Word has come to them) and men must ‘decide’ if they want to do what God says.
“Demons” ‘decide’ if they want to go in animism’s version of ‘exorcism’ (the demons/spirits are supposedly bought off by chicken blood or some other ’sacrifice’) in acknowledgement of the powerless of their own speech. In the Romanists lie, “the demons” ‘must’ go because of the speech and ritual of the ‘priest’ whereas men do as they please in the face of God as Word as supposed religious principle/ foundation of Roman Church doctrine.
But there is a further problem with the lie of ‘exorcism’ as ‘casting out’ and casting into’. The anti-Christ and demons ARE the non-creating speech of sin, they do not merely “respond to” speech as a supposed tool used by the supposed ‘free’ will of men. Non-creating speech are spirits and is the anti-Christ; they are many and one: Legion. It/they is/are the only speech of fallen man and is indeed the substance of his fall; man fell into the speech not-God that now separates him from God as Word/Love/Spirit/Father. Thus pro-active salvation by God is absolutely necessary and as new birth as non-metaphorical new creation in Jesus Christ, not as merely keeping the present creature the present creature minus a few, more vile negative emotions.
The only thing that happens during “exorcism” is that more demons come in than were already there and a demon fight / deal takes place and the slave is traded off to worse demons than were there to begin with and the victim doesn’t care as long as the new demons make them feel good. The victim is deceived and as well as those who witness mere better emotions from the victim after the show.
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Notice in the revelation below that the demons are the speech. The demons are not “using speech”. The demons leave and the man’s speech immediately changes, but only because the man himself has heard Incarnate God as Word and been born again as new creation in Jesus Christ/Word of God. The minute they are gone the man desires only the Word of God in Person. The man has Heard the Word of God and been born again and simultaneously delivered from the non-creating speech of sin. The speech of sin had stolen the man’s identity such that when the demon answers through the mouth of the man’s flesh, the demon says “I and me”, words indicative of fundamental identity. Yet only after the Word of God is not deceived does the demon as “I and me” turn into “we and us”. Note the superstrength, crying (negative emotions) and cutting (self-mutalation) as hallmarks of this particular demons presence. (Demons can laugh and smile through the flesh as well).
Mark 5:1-20 And they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. And immediately on his going out of the ship there met him out of the tombs a man possessed by an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling in the tombs; and no one was able to bind him, not even with chains; because he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been torn asunder by him, and the fetters were shattered; and no one was able to subdue him. And continually night and day, in the tombs and in the mountains, he was crying and cutting himself with stones. But seeing Jesus from afar off, he ran and did him homage, and crying with a loud voice he says, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, torment me not. For he said to him, Come forth, unclean spirit, out of the man. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he says to him, Legion is my name, because we are many. And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there just at the mountain a great herd of swine feeding; and they besought him, saying, Send us into the swine that we may enter into them. And Jesus immediately allowed them. And the unclean spirits going out entered into the swine, and the herd rushed down the steep slope, into the sea (about two thousand), and were choked in the sea. And those that were feeding them fled and reported it in the city and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that had taken place. And they come to Jesus, and they see the possessed of demons sitting and clothed and sensible, him that had had the legion: and they were afraid. And they that had seen it related to them how it had happened to the man possessed by demons, and concerning the swine. And they began to beg him to depart from their coasts. And as he went on board ship, the man that had been possessed by demons besought him that he might be with him. And he suffered him not, but says to him, Go to thine home to thine own people, and tell them how great things the Lord has done for thee, and has had mercy on thee. And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him; and all wondered.
Who “Exoricised” Satan out of Peter?
Matthew 16:21-24 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Was the Christ/ Incarnate Word of God as Jesus Christ confused? He Spoke to Peter and said “Satan” after Peter said as speech that Christ should not die. The words-as-demons-as-non-creating speech came out of Peter’s mouth of the flesh. Did Peter merely “use his free will improperly?” Is it not very plain that Peter had no free will and Satan spoke as anti-Christ, as non-creating speech of men, the speech Peter, as all natural men grew up in as the common sense of and thoughts of men that would not have God die for our sins at all merely because it would be a big Emotional Negative not only to Peter as missing his friend and Christ but to God? We see then that God as Jesus Christ / Creating Speech/ Incarnate Word was not at all confused and later anointed all the apostles to include Peter with the Holy Spirit and distinguished God as Word /Christ Jesus from the anti-Christ/ anti-Word of God/non-creating speech.
2 Corinthians 6:14,15 Be not diversely yoked with unbelievers; for what participation is there between righteousness and lawlessness? or what fellowship of light with darkness? and what consent of Christ with Beliar, or what part for a believer along with an unbeliever?
Psychological problems are Anti-Christ
Anti-Christ through the Romanists in an attempt to hide anit-Christ as non-creating speech amongst terms of the ‘medical’ profession:
Father Paolo Scarafoni said: “It is indispensable that every priest knows how to discern between demonic possession and psychological problems.” He was opening a four-month course entitled “Exorcism and the Prayer of Liberation” at the Regina Apostolorum pontifical university in Rome.
There are no pychological problems. There is only sin and anti-Christ as adversary and evil/wickedness. But through the Romanists and all other false faiths? Turns out that whatever can’t be thrown out by the prescribed and approved ‘method’ can be no other than an ‘medical problem’.
Yet God says plainly that those with ‘medical problems’ are bound by Satan and not for anything they did or failed to do:
John 9:1-3 And as he passed on, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind? Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be manifested in him.
Luke 13:11-17 And lo, there was a woman having a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and she was bent together and wholly unable to lift her head up. And Jesus, seeing her, called to her , and said to her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity. And he laid his hands upon her; and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus healed on the sabbath, answering said to the crowd, There are six days in which people ought to work; in these therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. The Lord therefore answered him and said, Hypocrites! does not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the manger and leading it away, water it ? And this woman , who is a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound, lo, these eighteen years, ought she not to be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? And as he said these things, all who were opposed to him were ashamed; and all the crowd rejoiced at all the glorious things which were being done by him.
Matthew 9:2-8 And behold, they brought to him a paralytic, laid upon a bed; and Jesus, seeing their faith, said to the paralytic, Be of good courage, child; thy sins are forgiven. And behold, certain of the scribes said to themselves, This man blasphemes. And Jesus, seeing their thoughts, said, Why do ye think evil things in your hearts? For which is easier: to say, Thy sins are forgiven; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then he says to the paralytic,) Rise up, take up thy bed and go to thy house. And he rose up and went to his house. But the crowds seeing it , were in fear, and glorified God who gave such power to men.
Sin is anti-Christ and is the non-creating speech of sin–the very speech that in ‘exorcism’ is supposed to be ‘throwing’ something OUT.
The War
It is very telling that the Romanists aren’t casting out anti-Christ of the Islamics, but parlaying for peace with him through the ‘interfaith’ dialogues as if there were any such thing as “other faiths” than faith in God through Jesus Christ His Son and Word. Otherwise, ‘interfaith dialogues’ would be plainly called ‘evangelism conferences and ‘holy water’ would be on hand to baptize the ‘other’ heathen.
Sheol in the Heart of the Flesh
James 3:6-8 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Note that in the whole of Holy Scripture only the wicked as non-creating speech says that they have freedom of speech as an ability:
Psalm 12:2-4 They speak falsehood every one with his neighbour: with flattering lip, with a double heart, do they speak. Jehovah will cut off all flattering lips, the tongue that speaketh proud things, Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail, our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
The demons are the voice of the dead in Sheol as the whole of non-creating speech of sin that is anti-Christ.
Do not be deceived by that if the mere hollywoodization of anything is stripped off of that thing, something legitimate and real remains. The Emily Rose project of anti-Christ is simply a seduction to ceremony and more of himself as a mere different peculiarity of evil speech within himself as the whole of non-creating speech than the one the movie goer/passer-by has already got.
1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
Speech effects flesh as anyone at a packed stadium or even watched a close football game on TV can attest. There is calm. Then comes a wave of more non-creating speech. Then there is unrest.
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John 2:23-25 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Am I now come up without Jehovah against this place to destroy it? Jehovah said to me, Go up against this land and destroy it. 2 Kings 18:25
Anti-Christ tried the lie that God had sent him to conqueor Jerusalem through the Assyrians. But God says to the worshipers of demons who hate Jesus Christ and Israel: "But I know thine abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, And thy raging against me." 2 Kings 19:27
Someone need clarity!
20 GREATEST NAMES OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
• John Adams - Spoke favorably of Freemasonry — never joined
• Samuel Adams - (Close and principle associate of Hancock, Revere & other Masons
• Ethan Allen - Mason
• Edmund Burke - Mason
• John Claypoole - Mason
• William Daws - Mason
• Benjamin Franklin - Mason
• Nathan Hale - No evidence of Masonic connections
• John Hancock - Mason
• Benjamin Harrison - No evidence of Masonic connections
• Patrick Henry - No evidence of Masonic connections
• Thomas Jefferson - Deist with some evidence of Masonic connections
• John Paul Jones - Mason
• Francis Scott Key - No evidence of Masonic connections
• Robert Livingston - Mason
• James Madison - Some evidence of Masonic membership
• Thomas Paine - Humanist
• Paul Revere - Mason
• Colonel Benjamin Tupper - Mason
• George Washington - Mason
• Daniel Webster - Some evidence of Masonic connections
Summary: 10 Masons, 3 probable Masons, 1 Humanist, 2 Advocates of Freemasonry, 4 no record of connections.
SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
Known Masons (8): Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Robert Treat Payne, Richard Stockton, George Walton, William Whipple
Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (7): Elbridge Berry, Lyman Hall, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Nelson Jr., John Penn, George Read, Roger Sherman
Summary: 15 of 56 Signers were Freemasons or probable Freemasons.
It’s true that this represents only 27% of the total signers. But this 27% included the principle movers of the Revolution, most notably Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the primary authors of the Declaration. The former was a Freemason, the latter a deist and possible Freemason. If one were to analyze the Declaration, he would see the humanistic influences.
In any event, there is no evidence that even 27% of the signers were true Christians.
Comment by len k — November 1, 2005 @ 11:23 am
Interesting, Ken. The masons just keep coming up. Here, there, everywhere in front of me today. This a.m. I followed some links and came on a page that denounced the masons as devil worshippers. I’ve heard that before. Never been a mason or know a lot about them.
But given the slant of your spirit to imply that masons are Satanic, what would be the point of your post exactly? That America isn’t a Christian nation because some of its leaders were deceived? That spirit in you should know that men are not in charge of nations, but God alone through Jesus Christ alone.
Ephesians 1:15-23 Wherefore I also, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which is in you, and the love which ye have towards all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, making mention of you at my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, would give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of him, being enlightened in the eyes of your heart, so that ye should know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believe, according to the working of the might of his strength, in which he wrought in the Christ in raising him from among the dead, and he set him down at his right hand in the heavenlies, above every principality, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name named, not only in this age, but also in that to come; and has put all things under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the assembly, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all:
But of course The United States is a Christian country, founded on Jesus Christ in new creation in spite of its old and recent apostacy and the evil that is done in it. There is indeed forgiveness, redemption, peace, prosperity in new creation in Jesus Christ in spite of the hopes of Satan and deceiving non-creating speech of anti-Christ through false brethren and all worshippers of demons no matter where they be.
To wit:
Jdg 6:25-32 And it came to pass the same night, that Jehovah said to him, Take the young bullock, which thy father hath, even the second bullock of seven years old, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the Asherah that is by it; and build an altar to Jehovah thy God upon the top of this strong place in the ordered manner, and take the second bullock, and offer up a burnt-offering with the wood of the Asherah that thou shalt cut down. And Gideon took ten men of his servants, and did as Jehovah had said to him. And it came to pass, because he feared his father’s house, and the men of the city, if he did it by day, that he did it by night. And when the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was broken down, and the Asherah was cut down that was by it, and the second bullock was offered up upon the altar that was built. And they said one to another, Who has done this thing? And when they inquired and asked, they said, Gideon the son of Joash has done this thing. And the men of the city said to Joash, Bring out thy son, that he may die, because he has broken down the altar of Baal, and because he has cut down the Asherah that was by it. And Joash said to all that stood near him, Will *ye* contend for Baal? or will *ye* save him? he that contends for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning. If he be a god, let him plead for himself, because they have broken down his altar. And on that day they called him Jerubbaal, saying, Let Baal plead with him, because he has broken down his altar.
God took Gideon from being an idol worshipper, which is the worship of demons (of Baal/Allah in particular) and caused Gideon, by Speaking His Creating Word/Christ to Gideon to destroy the high place of worship of demons among other things…
Then we see later that that very same Gideon was seduced by the demons and took the spoils of the victory at war that God had wrought through him to make an idol that became a snare to an entire nation –to worhip demons again. To wit:
Jdg 8:24-28 And Gideon said to them, I would desire a request of you: give me every man the earrings of his booty; for they had golden earrings, because they were Ishmaelites. And they said, We will willingly give them . And they spread a garment, and cast therein every man the earrings of his booty. And the weight of the golden earrings that he requested was a thousand seven hundred shekels of gold; besides the moons, and eardrops, and the purple garments that were on the kings of Midian, and besides the chains that were about their camels’ necks. And Gideon made an ephod of them, and put it in his city, in Ophrah. And all Israel went thither a whoring after it; and it became a snare to Gideon, and to his house. And Midian was subdued before the children of Israel, and they lifted up their heads no more. And the land had rest forty years in the days of Gideon.
Was God’s act and plan done away in Gideon’s disobediance? Was Israel done away? Of course not. It was and is part of God’s whole destiny for us all to go through good and evil. Is the United States done away because its founding documents are a mixing of iron and clay, the non-creating speech of sin and Creating Word of God? No. Neither is it cleared of all guilt. God will do what God will do. God forgive and bless the United States of America, England, Israel, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan bring the True peace of Jerusalem and come quickly. And wipe out Islam and all lies.
Daniel 2:41-45 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potter’s clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron and part of clay, the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. And whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron doth not mingle with clay. And in the days of these kings shall the God of the heavens set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the sovereignty thereof shall not be left to another people: it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, but itself shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold, –the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter. And the dream is certain, and the interpretation of it sure.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Comment by presbyter — November 1, 2005 @ 7:45 pm
Are faith and reason mutually exclusive? Why would The Lord in all his wisdom endow us with the ability to think/reason, and then ask us to permently deny its use?
As to politics, does God sides in our tribal(national) conflicts? I know Duet 25, but let me give an example. Only two countries in Europe have NO abortion, Spain and Ireland. he rest, or most of Europe allows abortion on demand. Guess what the poorest nations in europe are? I am also reminded of the civil war, both sides praying to the same God. Nations are tribes, is God confused, or are the people in the nations who think God is on their side?
Len in Yucaipa
Comment by len k — November 3, 2005 @ 2:57 am
God did not give us reason / free will. He gave us ( who have been non-metaphorically born again as real, literal, new creation in Jesus Christ ) Himself as Word, Spirit and Love. His actual presence in us is as our mind and speech as well as spirit. Our every thought is captive in Christ as Christ.
It is a very plain belligerence against God to keep saying to Him “go away so I can keep thinking and speaking “about ” you”. You cannot be in Christ and be deceived you can reason ‘about’ Him. You cannot be in Christ and search for Him or search to know ‘about’ Him in a Word/Speech/thoughts not-God.
The mind that supposedly reasons must have non-creating / non-interfereing language in which to analyze. Everything has to stop/be static to see each ‘peice’ as if reality actually did that in order for that ‘reason’ to be truth. That language is the very definition of anti-Christ–the living creature that is the non-creating speech of sin. It is a great deception that God ‘uses language’ and that men ‘use language’ in common as if language itself were a non-living thing and a neutral medium in which men and God “understand each other”.
Anti-Christ doesn’t ‘use’ language, he is non-creating speech, the speech of the whole world. He is the mind of the fallen world, the very mind and speech that speaks “reason” (which is in truth only witchcraft as emotion.)
God as Creating Word/Jesus Christ and the non-creating speech of sin / anti-Christ cannot mix and do not mix in the new creation in Jesus Christ. God as Word completely messes up the thoughts of non-regnerate man. Non-regenerate man wishes for the privacy to have a peaceful mind experince ( a place to think things through) ( in non-creating speech specifically) and does not know that they are fallen in anti-Christ. When God speaks, He completely destroys that deception of privacy men are deceived actually exists –He destroys the lie of a privacy in which a free will could exist.
The non-elect non-regenerate can’t stand to hear God, He messes with the way they already think: anti-Christ. He is to them as He really is the enemy of “their own mind” / “reason” and seems to them that He would drive them insane / make what makes sense to them (as their supposed wealth of wisdom) not-make-sense.
He very plainly says that He will indeed make their wisdom not-wisdom:
Isaiah 29:13,14 And the Lord saith, Forasmuch as this people draw near with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is removed far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught of men; therefore, behold, I will proceed to do marvellously with this people, to do marvellously, even with wonder, and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their intelligent ones shall be hid.
Proverbs 21:15 It is joy to a righteous man to do what is right; but it is ruin for the workers of iniquity.
Act 7:55-60 But being full of the Holy Spirit, having fixed his eyes on heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, Lo, I behold the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God. And they cried out with a loud voice, and held their ears, and rushed upon him with one accord; and having cast him out of the city, they stoned him . And the witnesses laid aside their clothes at the feet of a young man called Saul. And they stoned Stephen, praying, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. And kneeling down, he cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And having said this, he fell asleep.
Beware of any who say they “used reason” to “agree with God” that what He said is truth and that He is God. That is exactly what is being said by anti-Christ in pop Christianity–that the ‘human mind’ must give God permission to be true and trustworthy and then via “reason” as the supposed “approving tool”. That is nothing more than anti-Christ trying to set himself up as judge over who is God as if there were any question.
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As for abortions and wealth, tacitly implying that cash is the real wealth and children are an impediment to that cash such that supposedly NO abortion equals less material “wealth” is wickedness, sin and idolatry right up there with the lie that telling every man the truth of God as God Speaks it through us is automatically offensive. Look at the population statistics for Europe and the need it has for immigration to fill jobs to keep that “wealth” going. They are disappearing. Literally. But according to the lie of anti-Christ in your post, that’s okay because they drive nicer cars and drink better wine and say many words to each other on how they are the ‘rich’. They are the depraved in great wickedness amongst themselves doing away with thier own existence and feeling it pleasurably.
And they as abortionsist/ warring against their own children for ephemeral emotional opportunity are the example you hold up to duplicate as “sophisticated” and “wise”?
As for two sides in a war both crying out to God, it is very plain that those who are deceived in the mind of anti-Christ are deceived they and they only worship the ‘real God’ and the other guy worships Satan.
But God is real, Jesus Christ is His Son, did die for our sins, did rise the third day, there is real new creation in Jesus Christ ( I am new creation in Jesus Christ and witness to that truth as He Speaks through me) and we do know God. That many lie repetitvely doesn’t make their mere repetition ’science’ and doesn’t make God less knowable Truth.
That two sides to any conflict say as anti-Christ/’reason’ “they used reason” to determine who the enemy is and why demonstrates both are deceived in anti-Christ as they have falsely perceived the other guy to the enemy rather than anti-Christ himself as their speech as well as being deceived that true justice is between man and man and not between man and God exclusively. In True justice, the reconcilation of man toward God that only God can accomplish as new creation/being in Jesus Christ is peace. In fake justice over which wars are fought, there is no peace; only a temporary emotional satisfaction that cannot last because anti-Christ can’t stop speaking through men at each other and deceiving them he doesn’t exist.
God is doing all things for His own purposes. Good and evil. War and peace. Life and death. God is well known to we who have been born again and does indeed do true justice through the United States of America. That God uses Satan to seem to pollute that very justice in the midst of its being done in no way does away with that justice.
Job 12:16 With Him is strength and effectual knowledge; the deceived and the deceiver are his.
Proverbs 16:4 Jehovah hath wrought everything on his own account, yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Comment by presbyter — November 3, 2005 @ 5:19 pm
Consequences of your theology;
At the end of the day, the unregenerate masses will be in hell.The consequences of Calvinism is that Mother Theresa, Manson, Hitler, millions of Babies will all be in hell. This is a theology that sees God as love?
Also, are Rushdooney and Gary North, with their reconstructionism and Kingdom theology representative of most Calvinist today?
Comment by len k — November 4, 2005 @ 7:55 am
Consequences of God being God and God being His Word.
Yes. The unregenerate masses (and the indications from Scripture are that only a small number will be saved..) will be in the lake of fire. (”hell” is really Sheol/Hades) What does that have to with you or anyone you know or will ever meet?
Mother Theresa is a classic case of belligerence to the Word of God in doing works to be seen before men and opposing in every way the Truth in favor of buying favor from men and women as exalting the intelligence of/flattering the fallen world: anti-Christ. Perhaps it is that she had a last minute salvation. We don’t know. But her fruit was nothing more than any other non-regenerate ‘humanitarian’ has done or is doing. It is being deaf to God and trying to manufacture one’s own salvation via works that please men.
Your post is the usual dodge on personal regeneration in supposed favor of /solidarity with those “poor souls” who supposedly ‘never had a chance’ (that faux pau of faux paus God supposedly commited to those deceived they have free will and that all wisodm is to be found in the fallen human heart) . In truth, those very persons mentioned in your post may or may not be regenerate. What is that to us?
The masses in places Islamic and Hindu, everywhere, have trodeen on the blood of Christian martyrs to belligerently “stay” Islamic, Hindu and animistic to this hour. It isn’t as if God never spoke His Word to them. God sent (and sends) His servants to them repeatedly and they kill them expressly for what He says through them.
What you are looking for is motivation to choose one particular over another as truth based on its supposed emotional opportunity / merits expressly for the fallen human heart and in solidarity with other hearts who would choose the same as if there was a choice at all. None can choose God as He really is. There is no choice. No sale. No attempt at PR. God expressly says that those who are not regenerate cannot know Him.
1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned;
God created multiple hearts and gives them to whom He pleases. Each one is deceived the whole universe and total reality is contained within its own emotional common sense and that God is an emotional imbecile.
God giving a man’s heart to a beast:
Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
God giving a beast’s heart to man:
Daniel 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man’s, and let a beast’s heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
God giving a man another heart:
1 Samuel 10:8,9 And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do. And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.
In regeneration God giving us a new heart that is His Heart:
Eze 36:25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
1 John 4:17,18 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
God is Love and Word and Spirit and yet will never make emotional common sense to men. Christ told his disciples He was going to be killed. Peter, in the emotional common sense of the world, said:
Matthew 16:22,23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Very plainly God said the emotional common sense of man did not grasp the works of God and that that emotional common sense was Satanic and of men.
Theo-emotional as doctrine is a lie and is of Satan.
There is genuine new creation in Jesus Christ. That some hear and some do not in no way means God will stop Speaking through us.
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Most of the ‘Calvinism’ that is being put froward theses days is essentially what has been called “four point” Calvinism and never was or will be non-metaphroical new creation in Jesus Christ. Don’t worry about being a “Calvinist”. Just be new creation in Jesus Christ and God will show you, as He will live in you, who is lying and who He is Speaking through.
I’ve heard of Rushdooney. Never read him. I’ll google him later.
Heard of Gary North on political things. Not sure where or who he is otherwise.
The one put forward as a supposed archtypical Calvinist these days is RC Sproul. But he is arminian/free will and doesn’t know it. There seems to be an entire sub-culture on the net who say they are Calvinist. But in the end, they are all ‘agree’ and ‘dis-agree’ among themselves, which means God isn’t Speaking through them. All I have seen of what they say is anti-Christ wrapped as “philsophical Calvinism.” What they have not understood is that merely “agreeing” or “dis-agreeing” is insisting on the supposed “right” to “use” a mind not-Christ to understand Christ in such a way as to bamboozle their fellow man into joining a ‘movement’, which is not non-metaphorical new birth/regeneration in Jesus Christ and is indeed of anti-Christ. It starts out in “love” and ends up in death. It is that exact doctrine of quasi-Calvinism that has lead the visible american Church into apostacy and soceity into adultery, sodomy and abortion.
Look at the older men held forth as “men of God”. Look at where the country was when they first started their “ministries”. look where the country is now. Look at the young men held forth as today’s old pastors of tommorow. They are even worse.
Anti-Christ can get up and repeat the exact word order of perfect ‘doctrine’, say he ‘agrees’ with every single point–and lead those around him into the lake of fire. God MUST be the Speaker as creating what He says as regenerating the unconditionally elect. Men cannot merely repeat God’s word order, say they ‘agree’ and enter into heaven.
The ‘just say yes’ mind of anti-Christ has poisoned the whole visible Church. Anti-Christ comes with the express purpose to deceive, finds out what you think is fundamental truth, says it as perfect pronunciation of exact word order that is truth “to you”, gets voted onto the commitees, etc.. and then throws down the Church from within, staying in power by the widget of a false “love doctrine”. “Agreeing” and “disagreeing” is simply not good enough.
The “calvinist” of this era have combined true word order doctrine (creeds, subscription to standards, that doesn’t regenerate any) with flattery so as to manufacture mega-congregations “of conservatives” as speaking it themselves, uses a false ‘humility’ lie to insist that God should never speak through them and then pretend confusion when called on it, immediately appealing to the false “love doctrine” to enforce “unity”.
God is not something to be good at. There is new birth in Jesus Christ as new creation or the lake of fire. You cannot force new birth. You can’t be a tyrant trying to ‘enforce’ new birth. But without new birth, it just so happens, there is no civilization as there is no peace. Faking it is tyranny and a lie and the people devour each other.
Isaiah 29:13,14 And the Lord saith, Forasmuch as this people draw near with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is removed far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught of men; therefore, behold, I will proceed to do marvellously with this people, to do marvellously, even with wonder, and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their intelligent ones shall be hid.
Isaiah 65:1 I am sought out of them that inquired not for me , I am found of them that sought me not; I have said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Comment by presbyter — November 4, 2005 @ 4:06 pm