..as they are afraid to lose some portion of it temporarily that they would otherwise ‘need’ for some special purpose later or lose it permanently in physical death on the spot. Indeed, to most souls on the whole planet, death is in every way defined functionally, in the one speech they all have as fallen human beings (non-creating speech/anti-Christ) as “the lose of one’s free will” as if free will actually existed. Plainly then, torture is the no-win scenerio/vanity for all parties in that the one being tortured seeks to protect what they do not have as if they had it and most of those involved in doing torture on others seek to reach a point of ‘will breaking’ to ensure the best honesty of the victim has been gotten –as if that best honesty were Truth and the ‘free’ will was there to be broken at all so as make use of a ‘broken’ will or such that the ‘free’ will could be tricked or lead down a path of ‘giving up the truth’.
..a continuation of a former post/thread.
Those deceived they have free will are also deceived they both can’t avoid the freedom of the will they supposedly have (as it is the supposed ‘natural condition’ as being supposedly ‘God given’…) AND that they have to take steps ‘with it’ to keep it. ‘Use it or lose it’ –the no-win scenerio of anti-Christ’s deceived ones. That is the very essence of torture and conspiracy theory/false religion as a form of torture –the constant threat/fear of the supposed genuine ‘loss’ of a ‘part’ of the freedom free willers are perfectly deceived they have, (either for an individual or a nation) either ‘permanently’ or ‘temporarily’ or a ‘total’ ‘loss’ ‘temporarily’ or ‘permanently’ of ‘free’ will as forcibly taken from them by those ‘physically’ or ‘emotionally’ torturing or the ‘alien’ or ‘fallen angels and demons’ working in secret here and there and working supposedly anywhere, everywhere except in their own flesh. To those being tortured (and everyone is being tortured by anti-Christ at all times..) , the FALSE ’self’ that supposedly needs protecting and the theft of which is supposedly the goal of the torturer is no more and no less than the ‘free’ will.
It is then plain that torture is also the implantation of a false self (as a unclean/false spirit via the speech and actions of the torturer) that seeks to replace the true soul in the guise of supposedly attacking what is already there. In fallen Man (which includes women) , such has been successful: thus Man is truly fallen (spiritually dead) as having been killed by the implantation of non-creating speech as his supposed ‘native’ language and spirit/mind. Anti-Christ then only mines/harvests what he has himself implanted as a seed: the human being as a whole has been turned into a mere spiritual/mental computer used both day and night in a birth to grave encapsualtion in non-creating speech (except for those who hear the Word of God and are truly born again as new creatures in Jesus Christ/Word of God thereby) for that which Lucifer and anti-Christ have yet to understand in order to find a way ‘Out’ of both non-creating speech and the wrath of God to come.
Silent torture, (the ’silent treatment’) (as all torture…) is based on the presumption of a comman heart and mind exclusively comprised of non-creating speech/mind. The implicit ‘tell me what I want to know’ by the torturer is based on a supposed ahorrence of dying at the hands of unjust murderer without saying a word to that murderer or to God in the murderer’s presence –to die without protest or appeal and that to understand that no one cares what the victim knows or doesn’t know is the ultimate insult to the (false, but perfectly decieved is the true..) self –that the individual’s function as supposed ’societal’ spiritual/emotional computer is worthless and thus they are ‘deserving’ of death and to avoid such understanding, the one tortured will say anything to please (get recognition as a human soul from) the one torturing as if either had free will, non-creating speech was the only speech in total reality and the whole process was merely an exchange/barter of increments of ‘free will: the torturer is deceived he or she has to get something to empower their own or the ‘collective’ will of his or her particular ’side’ of society; the one being tortured is deceived they must give something to be defined in the universe as a human being.
Lucifer and anti-Christ are torturing the whole of the human race at all times. The ’sudden’ ax-murderer’ kills his or her victims; the ‘madman’ or ‘madwoman’ who tortures a victim ‘just to do it’ is doing so at the command of the one who at least some amount of control over their speech –which is anti-Christ itself. In every house and every secret habitation of human beings, non-creating speech/anti-Christ has implanted a false sense of self into the whole such that each is throughly deceived that the existence of unique individuals in the universe mandates war BECAUSE of ‘free’ will –BECAUSE ‘it’ supposedly exists (when it does not) AND is supposedly ‘God’s gift’ such that it cannot be gotten rid of AND must be defended as if it could be taken.
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(More on free will not existing (as opposed to free will existing but being unjustly restrained (or the supposed serrptitious restraint of free will by the simple ‘trick’ of saying no one has free will), etc….)
here: Lack of free will not totalitarianism
here: On total lack of free will: First Draft
and here: Total Lack of free will Part Two: On being made ‘defenseless’ for nothing with nothing
and here: False Calvinism/False Determinism )
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All false religion and all non-creating speech is proof that torture (and ‘brainwashing’ on a certain level) works –on those deceived they have free will. Everyone wants to keep their arms, their face, their pride, their mobility, their PERCEPTION of THEIR mind, THEIR emotional-intelligence/heart, the use of their internal organs, their speech/tongue, their genitalia, their family or friends or ‘the file’ or the ‘object’ as they are thoroughly convinced they (or their side of a conflict between two sides both of whom are deceived they have free will…) will have a use for them or it later –after the torture session. So they are deceived they can and must –and DO ‘take steps’ to ‘keep them/it’–by saying words/’doing actions’ in a specific order (as opposed to some other order they would have done if they were in another ‘possibility’/'dimension’ and not being tortured –the ‘free’ will (as deception/beast) is always in a state of trying to ‘get away/escape’ into a ‘better’ situation in which it could or ought to ideally be as part of the illusion it exists as freedom-never-really-used-correctly –never ‘used’ in such a way as to be or find finality/perfection/rest..) . Just as narcotics and alchohol cause whole, new sentences to come out of those who ingest them ( injested for the purpose — as Shamans, etc.. or to escape what they have already heard (addicts, junkies, etc..) ) that may or may not be indicative of anything they knew or knew they knew, so torture causes whole new sentences/spirits, masquerading as made-by-the-will-on-the-moment defenses to ‘keep’ ‘intact’ what in truth does not exist and is merely one way the flesh provokes the flesh in the mere appearence of free will becuase of the deception that only non-creating speech exists in total reality.
‘Brainwashing’ is nothing more than a trade of non-creating/unclean spirits in which the one ‘brainwashed’ supposedly gives up a former perception of personality (set of ‘free’ willed actions-in-waiting as ‘learning’ a ’skill set’) that was not of benefit in the torture situation for a superior perception forcibly (or serruptitously) provided by the spirits in the torturer. (Stockholm syndrome…)
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Non-creating speech, the thing within which is the lie of free will is the thing that everyone implicitly seeks to protect –and can’t get out of anyway by any ‘use’ of the will or any other part of being that same creature or any other creature.
Non-creating speech is a perfect parallel with the lie of free will because it is that lie. It IS the lie of free will because that lie (and all lies) can only be spoken in a speech that can create nothing — a speech that can create nothing has the appearence of being a will-neutral, ‘non’-interfering ‘x’. Yet it is not will-neutral but is a living creature with a will of its own –that isn’t free.
Non-creating speech is a living creature that is anti-Christ both as one and as legion. He already knows the whole of what he asks through one to another and is the certainty of those within him that they really already knew what they supposedly must ask or answer (so that they supposedly ‘know the truth when they hear it’ in non-creating speech) . He IS the false secret that has to be kept, IS the false self –or forcibly discovered ’self’ . He IS the ‘nakedness’ he seeks to hide as the false self as it most ‘basic’. As spirits using men to destroy each other, they/he are divided by living in each particular individiual’s flesh, yet joined and mixed by going out through the mouth and into the ear of those standing by and as a whole controlled by Satan who sends one group of spirits against another for the overall effect of destroying men.
They already know what they ask when addressing everything (everything not-God as Word and those new creatures in Jesus Christ within whom God dwells). They ask / speak to deceive both the one through whom they are asking and those swallowed in that same speech that both have a power that must be defended by the flesh to keep it, even as they move the flesh forcibly anyway.
They pretend in other places to be the dead and speaking ‘from the other side’ because the dead/non-regenerate have the same speech as the living non-regenerate: anti-Christ. Neither can save the other as non-creating speech is powerless.
The rich man being tortured in Sheol wanted Abraham to take the speech the rich man spoke and understood and give some of it to his brothers who were not yet dead according to flesh. The rich man–even in Hades, still suffered under the lie he and Abraham spoke the same speech, no new creation in Jesus Christ was necessary and that only one speech existed in total reality and that speech was simply non-creating and ‘thus’ a means of delivering ‘info’ that his brothers were supposedly in need of in order to ‘use their free will properly’ in order to avoid ending up as he. On the surface of it he had compassion on his brothers –yet he denied Christ as Word of God every time anti-Christ through him spoke and his speech did nothing more than tempt God in the guise of doing human emotion ‘correctly’ toward his family AND in doing so he denied he had been made a vessel of wrath by God alone but implicitly insisted by the very attempt to ‘help’ his brothers ‘do differently’ than he that he had been the master/creator of his own fate by his ‘use of free will’ and his ‘choices’ (Luke 16:24-31 And he crying out said, Father Abraham, have compassion on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering in this flame. But Abraham said, Child, recollect that *thou* hast fully received thy good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things. But now he is comforted here, and *thou* art in suffering. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that those who desire to pass hence to you cannot, nor do they who desire to cross from there pass over unto us. And he said, I beseech thee then, father, that thou wouldest send him to the house of my father, for I have five brothers, so that he may earnestly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment. But Abraham says to him, They have Moses and the prophets: let them hear them. But he said, Nay, father Abraham, but if one from the dead should go to them, they will repent. And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, not even if one rise from among the dead will they be persuaded.
The being entrapped in non-creating speech IS the torture before the physical torture in Hades/Sheol; it IS the fall of man; it is the lie of free will –of no matter what is done or not done, the ‘failure’ to use it properly to ’save the day’ for oneself or others in the deception that one can and must ‘do’ something. All the physical torture in this life is just extra and is based on the first. Yet fallen men do not perceive that they are fallen, but feel pleasure in unrighteouness and only feel as if they were being tortured if God forces evil to stop within them; they perceive false benefit from ‘having’ non-creating speech just as Satan does.
Satan/Lucifer is ahead in that speech and can, to a limited degree, speech-activate the universe as he understands the word order and the pronunciation ( witchcraft/sorcery as occult ’science’ that to a degree is real and ‘works’) to do so as having been given that wisdom by God. But he cannot create anything. None should be deceived witchcraft ‘isn’t real’. But none should be deceived as well that it is of Christ Jesus or is God.
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The chair of torture only reinforces the lie/worships non-creating speech as supposedly bringing on an emergency over which the one in the chair AND the torturer share control and each supposedly is wrestling with the other for a bigger part of the control over what doesn’t exist –and blaming the other for wrong speech and actions.
Yet because men and women are fallen, torture does work to get the words/spirits needed in times of crisis or conspiracy in that the flesh can be made to give up its spirits both by more speech/spirits and by physical pain or pleasure, even though the best honesty of anyone is never a ’salvation method’ for the other as regards the human soul. There is no hidden/gnostic/secret ‘holy info’ hidden within anyone such that they can ‘torture themselves’ to extract it or get others to extract it for them. Just as there are those free willers through whom Luicfer says: We have free will and we will use it any way we want!”, so are those free willers who say “We have a free will and you have the holy directions we need to use it properly. It is your responsibility to give us those holy directions! We will forcibly take what you refuse to give!” , so are those free willers who say “We have free will and we can’t use it properly until we torture ourselves/produce pain on ourselves to get it!” All of them are deceived, dead spiritually, ( no matter what they feel emotionally) and are going to the lake of fire in the end if they hear not God as Word.
Torture, in all its forms, works on free willers both as individuals and as a society within limits and only as God allows and directs.
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..as for those who think torture is an automatic evil no matter what? If you are decieved you have free will, you as an individual and as a soceity are already headed down the tubes, are already in a state of (false self) self-inflicted torture –because of the consequnces of that one deception and being encapsulated in the speech that speaks it: non-creating speech. That one deception is an inevitable spiral to death for you and everyone around you that you supposedly can and must ‘compete’ with to ‘keep’ your supposed freedom and ‘get some more’. Some perceived ‘emotional baggage’ produced by ‘doing human emotion’ ‘properly’ or ‘improperly’ or having a ‘proper’ emotional model of the universe that will supposedly spiral out of control if torture is ‘done’ won’t slow or speed your demise at all. And torture works only on those who are deceived they have free will.
Torture is then itself a lie and a farce –with real consequences and able to reveal both the best honesty of the one being tortured as the spirits within them and yet none of the fundamental truth of total reality as relating to Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit or the Father. ( Everyone implicitly knows that they cannot be tortured to find a deeper truth within themselves than what they know or are. Such a thing cannot be gained by any means but only as a grace of God. Torture then cannot be used to effect confession that saves the soul/changes-being as the one so tortured has no inner gnostic (secret/esoteric knowledge) that can deliver the non-creating speech itself that is in both the torturer and the one tortured. )
Yet the responses gained through torture can deceive as the best honesty of many is either implanted for the purpose of deception or is simple ignorance itself: a great many soul’s best honesty is a lie and to be merely deceived that what any say under ’stress’ is actually Truth is to be greatly deceived.
Psalm 58:3-8 The wicked go astray from the womb; they err as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder which stoppeth her ear; Which doth not hearken to the voice of enchanters, of one charming ever so wisely.
O God, break their teeth in their mouth; break out the great teeth of the young lions, O Jehovah. Let them melt away as waters that flow off; when he aimeth his arrows, let them be as blunted: Let them be as a snail that melteth as it passeth away; like the untimely birth of a woman, let them not see the sun.
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So: in order to deceive an entire society into self-torture and final self-extermination all that is done is speak non-creating speech which automatically deceives all within it that ‘free’ will exists (because the speech seems non-interfering-with-the-will/will-neutral because it cannot create anything but only move what is already here..) and to allow and force (via the lie and merely re-speaking what one has heard..) non-creating speech as the ‘offical’ speech of governance. All creatures can be lead anywhere AFTER they are deceived they have free will and must supposedly take steps to protect it even though they say it is a God given ‘gift’ and can’t be gotten out of. The non-creating speech itself is the spirits/demons that move the flesh in every way of those so deceived. Thus there is no ‘good pagan’, quite beside the fact pagans are not new creatures in Jesus Christ and new birth in Jesus Christ is the only morality before God. Those deceived they have free will can only, over time, become jealous of those they falsely perceive to use the ‘free’ will in ways forbidden by God (as they are decieved ‘even God’ has to speak in will-neutral/non-creating speech and is not His Word) and yet get away with it (have no violence done to their supposed ‘free’ will). Instead of “thank God I have not sinned in that manner” (which is pharisee-ism and yet the best of free willer ‘morality’) they will say “It isn’t fair. I’m not getting my share of the merchandise that I could have had if only I had broken the law too.” .. the longer God restrains His judgement and thus, all in the end will be joyful law breakers who love only anarchy. Everyone will speak the same phrases, feel the same feelings on que and loath law enforcement in the very guise of being an individual only on those instances when violence is done to the overall speech and emotional economy/marketplace as evidenced in other ‘individuals’.
Psalm 140:3 They sharpen their tongues like a serpent; adders’ poison is under their lips. Selah.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
Am I now come up without Jehovah against this place to destroy it? Jehovah said to me, Go up against this land and destroy it. 2 Kings 18:25
Anti-Christ tried the lie that God had sent him to conqueor Jerusalem through the Assyrians. But God says to the worshipers of demons who hate Jesus Christ and Israel: "But I know thine abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, And thy raging against me." 2 Kings 19:27