Christian Clarity Review

June 13, 2008

Beatdown at PCA General Assembly: Classic anti-Christ when he doesn’t get his way

Anti-Christ always forgets God Says of those in His grace in contrast to those who hate Jesus Christ and His followers:

Jeremiah 51:18-23 They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them; for it is he that hath formed all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name. Thou art my maul, my weapons of war: and with thee I will break in pieces the nations, and I will with thee destroy kingdoms; and with thee I will break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee I will break in pieces the chariot and its driver; and with thee will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; and with thee will I break in pieces the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces governors and rulers.

After the smackdown at the PCA’s General Assembly by God’s grace, anti-Christ whines.

a. “We” all have free will and there are right ways and wrong ways to “use it” that “we” must decide ( with our “free” will ) amongst ourselves as if God were not physically present in us but was perpetually absent so as to not interfere with our “free” will

1. those ways “we” are always having to “lovingly debate” to arrive at change with time and circumstance

b. “We” need to love the “whole” body of Christ ( as if we had free will and needed “more info” so we can “love correctly” in the unspecified future when we “do” as Satan says no matter what God has plainly declared ) as if God hadn’t loved through us in ways that please only Him in the past, weren’t already doing that through us in the present and needs no help from Satan to keep doing in the already-determined-by-God future.

c. “We” need to “celebrate” each other –not God, and “we need to “celebrate” especially the each other that wants to “study” and “research” what God expressly forbids

d. “We” have “offended” those who sided with Satan as if “we” had offended “half the body of Christ” by rejecting the heresy of a small group on the supposed behalf of those who didn’t ask for any such “support” from that group and not as reflection of God having had grace on us, but as “us” doing “free” will all wrong and by doing so had supposedly offended God by stomping the emotional common sense of Satan ( as in the true saying having come to pass: Romans 16:20 But the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

e. “we” should forget the actual heresy going on by those of anti-Christ, but “we” in free will should strictly adhere to anti-Christ’s emotional dogma as if it were true morality and indicative of “being a good person” and “use the opportunity” ( indeed, “be thankful for the opportunity” ) of the heresy to demonstrate “our” exact, lockstep conformance to said emotional dogma by calling the whole thing, ( the heresy and the emotional dogma ) not-heresy

The PCA is now ( and has been.. ) under attack in exactly the same manner, same speech ( anti-Christ) , by the same groups and using the same road map as killed the PCUSA: base everything on the lie of free will, confound any distinction between the Word of God/Jesus Christ and non-creating speech as if there were only non-creating speech in total reality, make up minorities in/as/with non-creating speech that don’t exist, claim those minorities are “under privileged” with respect to the whole, tell anyone who will give ear to such lies that they are part of that minority, say that God demands His love be equally distributed by human free will among those very particular minorities, demand “a hearing” to “lovingly debate” “both sides”, etc…

Dipraxis/Purpose Driven Church heresy/methods. Without knowing what else these speakers teach, just what’s on this video is mandatory viewing as to what anti-Christ is doing on the whole range of issues and where that ‘method’ is coming from historically. “WARNING! The Purpose Driven Church Heresy! Rick Warren.” The whole thing.

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After being denied discussion privileges to “lovingly debate” the addition of women deacons to PCA Churches anti-Christ says:

excerpted from:
General Assembly Rejects Deaconess Study Committee


1. “There’s much we need to do—we’re failing to love fully half of the body of Christ,” said Jonathan Inman, pastor of Grace and Peace PCA in Asheville, N.C. “I’m sorry for the ways the church has offended women and often been unaware of it.”

2. “We need to celebrate the young men who want to dive into the PCA and study these issues,” said Mike Khandijan of Chapelgate Presbyterian in Maryland.

3. “It’s not the issue before us, but how we deal with the issue before us,” said Joe Novenson, of Lookout Mountain Presbyterian in Tennessee. “That’s part of the Reformed tradition, and how we have addressed issues in the past.”

And what does the snake say when he has to appear on the side of Truth so he can keep trying to let in the Lie later on?

“Let’s keep talking about it and bringing it up again and again at future General Assemblies as changing the Constitution of the PCA!”

additional excerpt:

Fred Greco urged continued discussion about this issue, but at the local level. “We recommend that the church address these issues constitutionally, through presbyteries working in a local context and raising up amendments for General Assembly. There are venues for this discussion to take place in a less confrontational, more grassroots way.”

All you liars who didn’t get away with what you wanted? Get mad. Who cares? You are liars anyway who never knew Who prayer really is: Jesus Christ. You don’t the smallest part of what awaits you in the lake of fire. And those nice guys who “lovingly” debated with you and told you you had a chance to debauch God’s people again? They don’t know either. The ones who sent you don’t know what awaits them either.

All true new creatures in Jesus Christ are commanded to have nothing to do with you: all who do not hold to the truth that IS Jesus Christ and yet pretend to be “fellow Christians” are to be shunned.

2John 1:10,11 If any one come to you and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, and greet him not; for he who greets him partakes in his wicked works.

Ephesians 5:11-14 and do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather also reprove them , for the things that are done by them in secret it is shameful even to say. But all things having their true character exposed by the light are made manifest; for that which makes everything manifest is light. Wherefore he says, Wake up, thou that sleepest, and arise up from among the dead, and the Christ shall shine upon thee.

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Some history:

excerpted from: On Close Vote, Assembly Declines to Erect Study Committees on Doctrinal Subscription

Rev. Jonathan Inman of Western Carolina Presbytery moved an amendment, to strike the last clause in the first proposed change to the RAO (“that the presbytery approves doctrinal exceptions”

I.E. Within the debate, he wanted the General Assembly to usurp the power of the presbyteries after others having stated ( elsewhere on that page) that what the General Assembly does establishes doctrinal precedent in the face of language of the proposed change that specifically said it didn’t. He would then be of a spirit to start the twisting of true doctrine at General Assembly and seek to by pass any presbytery actions.

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Here, Mike Khandijan was one of a group who signed a “pastoral letter” desperately seeking to keep the “Federal Vision” / New Perspective on Paul from being explicitly throw out of the PCA and shown to be apostasy, even as whiny and spineless as the GA finally did it by calling it “contrary to the Westminster Standards” rather than plainly anti-Scriptural and another/false gospel.

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Joe Novenson:

Is reported to have wanted the final report on the New Perspective on Paul/Federal Vision “question” postponed and indications of the “positive” effects of the New perspective on Paul added in the interim. (!)

In short, what we have is the usual suspects lining up with the heresy and all in lockstep with lying emotional dogma as supposed reasoning for continued “loving debate” over plain heresy.

Ligon Duncan plays the archtypical “loving debater” with “fellow Christians” on the blog Reformation 21″ afterwards with the usual outlandish lies about those on the losing side’s “passionate speech” in defense of their heresy.

excerpted from his post:

. Bryan Chapell delivered the most eloquent and gracious presentation of a Minority Report in the history of the Presbyterian Church in America (and maybe modern American Presbyterianism). How the Assembly managed to resist the persuasiveness, substance and tone of his argument, I still don’t know.

4. Fred Greco, the Chairman of the Overtures Committee was masterful (to the point of hyper-competence), fair, firm and kind. How he got words out of his mouth after Bryan’s speech, I don’t know. I couldn’t speak or think for ten minutes after Bryan was done. Fred had to, on the fly. Fred, you are a better man than me!

5. Dear Joe Novenson made, for the second GA in a row, a beautiful, powerful and moving appeal to take a principled course that would promote greater unity in the PCA. His words, no doubt, resonated in many hearts and won over many, but in the end failed to persuade a sufficient number to get the minority report passed. Aside: I love Joe Novenson.

6. I predict the PCA will figure out how to begin to talk this issue through in a mutually satisfying and principial way in the next calendar year.

7. Full disclosure: the Minority Report recommended a Study Committee that would include Phil Ryken, Tim Keller, Jimmy Agan (NT Prof at Covenant Seminary) and yours truly. In one of the more humorous points in this debate, Dr. Chapell suggested that, though there were differences of views between us, three of the four of us were friends! Which prompted me to wonder which of us was on the outside! Jimmy Agan said to me afterwards: “Lig, I didn’t know that we weren’t friends.” On the record: I count each of these men as dear friends and colleagues. I only wish that our lives and ministries permitted more time than the fleeting moments of fellowship that we now enjoy.

Heretics always rely on emotional dogma with its own catchphrases and insinuations/accusations that are now rampant in the PCA:

when the heresy is shot down, declare that no “principal” way of understanding the heresy has yet been demonstrated.

“we’re all friends!” ( “Aside: I love Joe Novenson.” )

“dear” friend is a frequent term applied to heretics among themselves in public settings to seem to be victims of the same emotional dogmas they are teaching others ( as if they are “one of you” who “does the etiquette correctly” ) and as part of that teaching/instillation of demonic/lying spirits

( the heresy ) was “beautiful, powerful and moving “.. and “promoted greater unity”

( some not on this page ) “I felt challenged ( !) ” “It was great to see all the diversity of God’s people displayed!”

Very obviously these men of the Minority are sodomites inflated with their own sense of megalomania as demonic deceptions for doing the emotional dogma/effeminacy better than all others combined . I pray they retire and teach more obvious witches and sorcerers knitting skills to catch their own souls in their lies. God has already spoken on what happens to those who do so.


Ezekiel 13:17-23 And thou, son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, who prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy against them, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Woe unto the women that sew pillows for all wrists, and that make veils for the head of persons of every stature to catch souls! Will ye catch the souls of my people, and will ye save your own souls alive? And will ye profane me among my people for handfuls of barley and for morsels of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that listen to lying? Wherefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against your pillows, that the souls which ye catch by their means may fly away; and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, the souls that ye catch, that they may fly away. And I will tear your veils and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah. Because with falsehood ye have grieved the heart of the righteous, whom I have not made sad; and have strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, to save his life: therefore ye shall no more see vanity, nor divine divinations; and I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.

“Dr.” Bryan Chapell, who spoke for those advocating women deacons?

As president of Covenant Theological Seminary he protected and sought to keep Presbyterians in the dark about Dr. David C. Jones who from the seminary and functionally using his position as a seminary professor, sought the repeal of anti-sodomy laws.

More on that here and here.

The enemy has been in the camp so long they now pose as “loving brothers” and teachers now have decades worth of “relationships” with the denomination as they protect liars and thieves and seek to both manufacture from within and bring in more. ..Which makes them liars and thieves; not simply those who seek to carefully explain the mindset of “confused brethren” so that all may pray for them with supposed more pin point accuracy as doing “compassion” on unrepentant sinners who have shunned the gospel in favor a false gospel that lets them do as they please in their own eyes.

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Fred Greco seems to have wanted to say something nice and technical sounding to demonstrate intricate understanding of what was going on in front of him.

We see what happens when we do that:

Mark 9:4-7 And there appeared to them Elias with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. And Peter answering says to Jesus, Rabbi, it is good that we should be here; and let us make three tabernacles, for thee one, and for Moses one, and for Elias one. For he knew not what he should say, for they were filled with fear. And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a voice out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

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1 Kings 15:11-13 And Asa did what was right in the sight of Jehovah, as David his father. And he put away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his father had made. And also Maachah his mother he removed from being queen, because she had made an idol for the Asherah; and Asa cut down her idol, and burned it in the valley of Kidron.

Jeremiah 44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of the heavens and poured out drink-offerings to her, did we make for her cakes to portray her, and pour out drink-offerings to her, without our husbands?

1Timothy 2:11-15 Let a woman learn in quietness in all subjection; but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness; for Adam was formed first, then Eve: and Adam was not deceived; but the woman, having been deceived, was in transgression. But she shall be preserved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and love and holiness with discretion.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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