Christian Clarity Review

October 21, 2008

Roman Catholics and Necromancy/Sorcery

It is plain we are not to pray for the dead or to communicate with the living in heaven. God explicitly says we are not to tempt God and by asking for things He specifically forbids or for things He does not forbid in ways He has prohibited.

Deut 6:16 Ye shall not tempt Jehovah your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

In Massah, the Israelites were in a desert with no water. What Roman Catholic priest/sorcerer would say that the Israelites were wrong to provoke God for an absolute necessity in a time of need? None. Indeed, they would go about saying that such was winked at by God and that as long as the item was needed and was not used in a bad way, then all was well. Indeed, they might even go so far as to call such ‘wrestling with God in prayer’ much as Joseph wrestled with God and got a blessing.

But the lies on which the Romanists sorcerer would build his other lies are plainly evident.

1. There is no free will. It is not a case of “can I use my will this way or that?” or “am I within the bounds of the rules to do this or that with my free will?” There is no free will to use at all. Joseph was blessed of God to be visited by God and God was in Him as Word and Spirit through Abraham. Therefore, whether the Romanists liar likes it or not, God wrestled against Himself exactly as man would wrestle with his own children in play. and exactly as God killed Himself through the means of the Romans on the request of the Jews at His express counsel to save His people from His Own wrath: in absolute lack of the free will of man.

2. The water ( the necessity in question at Massah ) was not the issue –with God. God had/has specifically led His people to that place of literal thirst so that they would have a literal dependence on HIM and trust in His Word, even as they had already seen His signs at the Red Sea.

The manner in which they asked, –by asking Moses and provoking God’s representatives such that Moses then went to God on their behalf to ask both for their pardon in their murmurings against God (their accusation against God was that God didn’t know what He was doing by bringing them out into the desert or that He had done so simply to kill them.. ) and for water itself was the evil for which Moses paid the price to shield them from God’s wrath. It cost Moses for their evil.

Psalm 106:32,33 And they moved him to wrath at the waters of Meribah, and it went ill with Moses on their account; For they provoked his spirit, so that he spoke unadvisedly with his lips.

Moses didn’t get to go into the land specifically because of what they had done at Meribah:

Deut 32:48-52 And Jehovah spoke to Moses that same day, saying, Go up into this mountain Abarim, mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, which is opposite Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession, and die on the mountain whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy peoples, as Aaron thy brother died on mount Hor, and was gathered unto his peoples; because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye hallowed me not in the midst of the children of Israel. For thou shalt see the land before thee ; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

If it were not enough that the people consistently killed the prophets sent to them, something the Judaists, Romanists, Eastern Orthodox and some sects of Protestants have consistently done throughout history, the people have consistently sought to provoke God’s representatives to the hurt of those representatives for a temporary benefit on the people at best.

God as well specifically forbids prayers to the host of heaven:


Deut 4:15 -24 And take great heed to your souls (for ye saw no form on the day that Jehovah spoke to you in Horeb from the midst of the fire), lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the form of any figure, the pattern of male or female, the pattern of any beast that is on the earth, the pattern of any winged fowl that flieth in the heaven, the pattern of anything that creepeth on the ground, the pattern of any fish that is in the waters under the earth; and lest thou lift up thine eyes to the heavens, and see the sun, and the moon, and the stars, the whole host of heaven, and be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, which Jehovah thy God hath assigned unto all peoples under the whole heaven. But you hath Jehovah taken, and hath brought you forth out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, that ye might be to him a people of inheritance, as it is this day. And Jehovah was angry with me on your account, and swore that I should not go over the Jordan, and that I should not enter in to that good land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance; for I shall die in this land, I shall not go over the Jordan; but ye shall go over, and possess this good land. Take heed to yourselves lest ye forget the covenant of Jehovah your God, which he made with you, and make yourselves a graven image, the form of anything which Jehovah thy God hath forbidden thee. For Jehovah thy God is a consuming fire, a jealous *God.

Note that God assigns worship practices that are FALSE ( in that they do not worship in Truth ) to those against whom He has wrath: the nations. “..which Jehovah thy God hath assigned unto all peoples under the whole heaven.” The fact that He has assigned them a LIE to believe in no way makes God unjust. For He also says that He has openly showed His salvation in the sight of the nations (Psalm 98:2 Jehovah hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the nations. ) and they –according to their lie of free will that he gave them– have killed and derided Him –on purpose and say everything they do is on purpose to this day.

Lest the Romanists twist the Word of God before your ears and eyes, God specifically makes mention of the host of heaven as being more than just sun and moon and planet worship, but includes those spirits WITH HIM in heaven in that exclusion of worship:

1Kings 22:19-23 And he said, Hear therefore the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him, on his right hand and on his left; and Jehovah said, Who shall entice Ahab that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-Gilead? And one said after this manner, and another said after that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Jehovah, and said, I will entice him. And Jehovah said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt entice him , and also succeed: go forth, and do so. And now, behold, Jehovah has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and Jehovah has spoken evil concerning thee.

.. the spirit became a lying spirit in the mouth of the ALL the FALSE prophets who were impressed with the spirit simply because it ACTUALLY came from heaven and because it was the common spirit among them: what one of them appeared to be saying in free will –all were saying and that without any previous agreement among themselves to say it. It was a spontaneous “spirit” that called itself truth and a blessing. If they had taken a poll it would have been: 100 percent of the “holy men” “agree”. It is plain they were familiar with spirits from heaven rather than relying solely on God’s Word in God’s mouth. A heavenly intermediary other than Jesus Christ was perfectly okay with them and they lead the king and the people with him into death.

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Saul was in dire need of divine help for the course of a whole nation against a foreign invader and God answered him not. Instead of seeing he was in a deeper trouble than just a temporary need of help against enemies, Saul went to a witch ( which he had not killed though it was obvious his men knew of her existence…) and called up a spirit that had the form of Samuel –whether or not that was actually Samuel. Saul specifically did what the sorcerers / Romanists wish to say is not only “permitted” but required to be accepted among the Roman Catholics: prayers to those in heaven who are ACTUAL saints of God who have passed to heaven.

But what is God’s reply through the spirit to Saul:


1Samuel 28:5-19 And when Saul saw the camp of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. And Saul inquired of Jehovah; but Jehovah did not answer him, either by dreams, or by Urim, or by prophets. Then said Saul to his servants, Seek me a woman that has a spirit of Python, that I may go to her and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman who has a spirit of Python at En-dor. And Saul disguised himself, and put on other garments, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night; and he said, I pray thee, divine to me by the spirit of Python, and bring me him up whom I shall name to thee. And the woman said to him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul has done, how he has cut off the necromancers and the soothsayers out of the land; and why layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? And Saul swore unto her by Jehovah, saying, As Jehovah liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up to thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? Even thou art Saul. And the king said to her, Be not afraid; but what didst thou see? And the woman said to Saul, I saw a god ascending out of the earth. And he said to her, What is his form? And she said, An old man comes up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul said, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answers me no more, neither by prophets nor by dreams; therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known to me what I shall do. And Samuel said, Why then dost thou inquire of me, seeing Jehovah is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? And Jehovah has done for himself as he spoke by me; and Jehovah has rent the kingdom out of thy hand, and given it to thy neighbour, to David. Because thou didst not hearken to the voice of Jehovah, and didst not execute his fierce anger upon Amalek, therefore has Jehovah done this thing to thee this day. And Jehovah will also give Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines; and to-morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me; the army of Israel also will Jehovah give into the hand of the Philistines.

Rather than openly saying the spirit of python is the spirit of speaking to the dead, the Romanists simply tell their victims that they can speak directly to the host of heaven themselves as prayer thus handing over unsuspecting victims to demons on the premise that such is piety. (!) For if it was truly the spirit of Samuel, a spirit of Python was used to “bring him” to converse with Saul.

It is also plain that Saul did not want Samuel simply to jaw about old times nor did he want Samuel for Samuel’s ‘opinion’ on what should be done. He wanted Samuel specifically because he thought Samuel would / could force God to grant him some favor and rescue him and the nation out of the hand of the Philistines. He didn’t do these things out of some selfish desire for personal gain: he did it for a “good reason that was good for everybody” that would fit very well within the bounds of a Romanists ‘orthodoxy’ of ‘why and when’ to pray to saints and the hosts of heaven.

American presidents have become famous of late for their wives sorceries or approval of immorality. Nancy Reagan consulted astrologers as one case among many. Laura Bush goes on tv with a known lesbian as if okaying the lifestyle –after her husband tried a lame attempt at a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage rather than a constitutional amendment to ban homosexuality. Jackie Kennedy prayed to the host of heaven.

All these, to themselves had and have very good reasons for their absolute loathing of Jesus Christ as He actually is in favor a lie of Who and What He is that they can twist to keep themselves in power as supposed dictators of orthodoxy and acceptable ‘free willed’ behavior patterns before God. All of them have been assigned such by God –to their destruction — in the midst of their very real desire to “use beliefs for good and for the people”.

Do not be deceived. The only acceptable prayer is that pray that God Himself grants as grace to be prayed back to Him through us by His Spirit in us. God never says be shy about making your request known to Him. But He NEVER okays you going through a so-called ‘holy intermediary’ even if that intermediary, in the case of Samuel, is a real Saint.

Galatians 4:6 But because ye are sons, God has sent out the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

You have no business crying out “say Abba father! to God for me Mr. Saint or Mrs Virgin.” If God isn’t saying it through you Himself to Himself, don’t presume. Ask for God Himself to heal your prayers. He will if you are His; but just because they don’t go in the direction you intended Him to heal them toward in no way means He isn’t listening or that you need an ‘intermediary’ to remind Him how things are with you.


Romans 8:26-28 And in like manner the Spirit joins also its help to our weakness; for we do not know what we should pray for as is fitting, but the Spirit itself makes intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered. But he who searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he intercedes for saints according to God. But we *do* know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to purpose.

If you have a problem with God actually and non-metaphorically living in you as Spirit, if you think that is blasphemous or somehow demeans God, that means they have taught you a lie specifically so they could be an intermediary that basically controls every aspect of your life on the premise that you need them to get stuff from God and that without them, you couldn’t get to God. For without God non-metaphorically living in you and knowing what you need before you say it, there is no Spirit of Christ or real Christianity going on in you.


Isaiah 55:8-11 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Jehovah. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall do that which I please, and it shall accomplish that for which I send it.

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As for those teaching that prayers to saints are ‘okay’ and indeed mandatory: you will be destroyed. It wasn’t good enough that you spit in the face of Jesus Christ, you had to go around seducing other people to do it as their supposed best behavior.

I Peter 2:7,8 …but to the disobedient, the stone which the builders cast away as worthless, this is become head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling and rock of offence; who stumble at the word, being disobedient to which also they have been appointed.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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